Jacob’s Moving Cache Just Won’t Die
18th February 2015 by MarcusMaximi
After removing all dialogue on the cache page itself Jacob has finally responded, in part, to the storm (in a teacup) his re-invention has caused. See the comments from the Groundspeak Forums …
“Wow. I see this caused quite a stir, let me see if I can explain.
Over the many years of maintaining these caches I have been contacted many times by Groundspeak telling me that the caches have started to be “passed around” or taken to events and mass logged. That is not allowed and I have been told if I don’t police it better and stop that from happening the caches would be archived.
Personally I hate deleting logs, but in hopes of keeping these unique caches alive I have tried to police them. I do not enjoy being the police and instead prefer to let people do what they want.
There was recently another rash of “illegal” behavior with the caches and I was faced with the need to stop it, I thought about just archiving the caches because it is not fun to babysit people who can not follow the simple rules on the cache page.
I temporarily disabled the caches and asked the people who had them to take the caches and either hide them as a new cache hide in a permanent place or take the contents and put them in another cache. I thought that way there would be no “litter” caused by leaving the caches places and I would have time to decide what to do.
I was of course ignored in my requests to those people, and the people who continued to find the cache while it was disabled.
I have so far decided to keep at least one alive and given it a fresh start closer to my home where I can hopefully keep a better eye on it.
I expect to get the other two going as well but the blatant refusal to my requests is starting to make it go back towards archiving all three.
Hope that helps? “
One of the many deleted logs, including mine, was the last finder’s ‘found it’. He had offered Jacob many options …
“UK cache status
Those observing the logs in the last two weeks may recall that I posted the last set of UK coordinates. The container is still there and fully intact.
Nevertheless, I recognise that the lack of information for UK Geocachers is giving way to something less pleasant so I’ve decided to share what I know and offer my interpretation. I’m fortunate in one sense. I became aware of this cache only recently, so have spent less time-and-effort on it than many.
Don’t misunderstand me; had I been following it for months, watching it come within reach only to have my plans dashed by a sudden move away, I’d be right with you. I’m not so bound-up in it but fully respect those who are.
Nevertheless, I too waited for the CO to explain his motivation and intent. With none forthcoming and very aware that I was last to hide the physical container, I made direct contact.
For reasons that I didn’t challenge, the CO wanted to relocate his cache to Utah. I proposed two actions that he might take: 1) provide a TB-style ‘mission’ to allow it to return home under it’s own steam or 2) allow me to mail it to him in Utah at my own expense.
Now, I realise neither of those would satisfy all UK Geocachers but they would, perhaps, deliver a more elegant closure to many. We could all shed a single tear and wave an empty logsheet as we wished the cache a safe voyage back home. …or something like that.
The CO didn’t take me up on my suggestion or offer. Our exchange stopped pretty quickly but I leave it open should he have a change of heart.
Now I see that he’s deleted all UK entries following his own ‘Disabled’ post. That includes all offers- to-adopt and leaves all courteous questions unanswered. He has also deleted my Find log which I do find disappointing. I drove some distance to recover the cache; I really didn’t anticipate that my search would ultimately prove futile.
I too had my moment of annoyance and resolved to submit a ‘Needs Archiving’ log. I’ve changed my mind, asking myself “what’s the point?”. This is just one of those rare Geocaching irritations like people logging a Find without signing the log or without even visiting the cache. In the end, it’s hurting nobody.
I’m sorry if this comes across as sanctimonious. I seek neither thanks nor sympathy. I hope by concluding that the UK chapter is now over won’t get me flamed either.
c’est la vie Rodney, c’est la vie – which probably doesn’t make a whole lot of sense in Utah.
Happy caching, even if you’re from the Beehive State,
Now that it has gone live in Utah we have a piggybacked find …
“Along with Utahsnowflake for the hide, now we can officially log it. (New coordinates are in her log.) Many thanks for the awesome revived cache!“
… and a passing around/headsup …
“Grabbed this tonight with MrsLegoLegend! Thanks utahsnowflake for the heads up! I thought this cache was gone. It was larger than we anticipated. We’ll be placing it soon! Thanks Jacob!“
… as the first 2 finds where it is ‘closer to home’ and ‘easier to police’ … lol, just LOL!
Now Oracle has put another Needs Archived log on it …
“Seems the US cachers are doing exactly the same thing that the Brits were accused of !
Best way for Groundspeak to address the situation is to archive the moving caches. Whether that is possible when COs delete such logs immediately remains to be seen.“
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